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Fresh water access in Amarillo area
« on: December 05, 2010, 08:51:54 am »
Being prepared and stockpiling are one thing. I think we all agree it is best to prepare for the worse. My biggest concern is the power failing. Once all those convenient pumps shut off that bring us stuff like gas and water we are really screwed. If it takes 1 gallon per adult per day for cooking, bathing, and drinking to survive at a minimum water is my biggest concern. I keep a three day supply for who I have to take care of. My question for you guys that have been living around here a long time is, where is the water?

Is their any fresh water springs in the surrounding area?
Beyond Meredith and the Canadian what are the other major water sources?
Does anyone own any purification equipment, if so what kind?

What got me down this path was this site I stumbled on.

http://www.thepowerhour.com/news/items_disappearfirst.htm
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Re: Fresh water access in Amarillo area
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2010, 09:52:48 am »
By no means do I suggest you tresspass- but judging from the chopper on your avatar- it looks like you might know a thing or two about land nav.  OK- if you have or can get good to decent maps of the area, you might start plotting windmills where you see them.  Not all WM's pump all the time.  Either google it, or have someone show you how to engage/disengage the brake lever on one.  First hint... there is one on the back trail at Coyote Bluff...
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Re: Fresh water access in Amarillo area
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2010, 10:35:12 am »
Man that is a really good idea. When I moved here the windmills were kind of a new thing to me. It would be something I would only use in a dire situation of course. And you are correct....I am really good with land nav and staying undetected too  ;)
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Re: Fresh water access in Amarillo area
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2010, 11:13:47 am »
I agree; knowing windmill locations and how to operate them is a great idea, but keep in mind that in that kind of scenario water will be a high commodity, and most likely heavily guarded.  Also being infected here in the panhandle is a little more tricky than other parts of the country.  It's fairly flat and barren.  Often you can live a fair distance from your neighbor, but with a good pair of field glasses you can watch every move they make!

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Re: Fresh water access in Amarillo area
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2010, 01:25:11 pm »
I always figured in a bad situation trade and trust would be the two top commodities. I keep a lot of extras around for barter material. All the gold, oil, and ammo would get traded away in a flash for some fresh water. I am new to Amarillo but it seems like the people around here are the type to help out their neighbor.
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Re: Fresh water access in Amarillo area
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2010, 01:47:28 pm »
This was in today's paper in the outdoors section. http://www.steripen.com/content16230   Its a battery free handcrank UV purifier
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Re: Fresh water access in Amarillo area
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2010, 07:39:01 pm »
This was in today's paper in the outdoors section. http://www.steripen.com/content16230   Its a battery free handcrank UV purifier


Ouch. Kinda pricey but probably the best 100 I have spent. I know how to filter water but the bacteria was always a problem. Boiled water is terrible at best too. I doubt I will use this until I actually need it, but it's a great idea. Thanks for the heads up.
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Re: Fresh water access in Amarillo area
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2010, 05:29:08 am »
I always figured in a bad situation trade and trust would be the two top commodities. I keep a lot of extras around for barter material. All the gold, oil, and ammo would get traded away in a flash for some fresh water. I am new to Amarillo but it seems like the people around here are the type to help out their neighbor.

Ive been hoarding old CPU processors (made of 24k gold dont throw away your old computers) for this exact reason.  Gold is the only cash in this situation.  Amarilloans are pretty neighborly but in this situation water becomes something people kill for.  We live in a SbK climate area.  Comparable to the mongolian steppes.  Water is scarce and while meredith is your first choice being it has the largest supply.  The Canadian is sometimes dry (doesnt have water in it) or so shallow that a mass exodus to collect water from it would be a no go and probably attract lots of people. 

I agree with 10-96 start plotting out the windmills in your area on a grid.  My personal plan is to head southeast along the canyon to the llano estacado.  youll be without water from 40 miles west of estelline to about 25 miles south of clarendon.  However the terrain is harsh and would have few travellers with most common unprepared people going north towards the lake and the river.  Once you get to North Texas the Water supply increases dramatically and the climate (at least in the winter) becomes more survivable.
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Re: Fresh water access in Amarillo area
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2010, 11:22:05 pm »
It really depends on how long things are down for.  Most people outside of town have wells.  If it is a short term thing, then a generator big enough to run one of those will keep you in water no problem.  Be careful about the windmills, a lot of them have very high heavy metal concentrations in them, especially if they don't pump much.  You won't be able to filter those out.  In an emergency, no problem, but continual intake can jack you up. 

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Re: Fresh water access in Amarillo area
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2010, 11:32:14 am »
It really depends on how long things are down for.  Most people outside of town have wells.  If it is a short term thing, then a generator big enough to run one of those will keep you in water no problem.  Be careful about the windmills, a lot of them have very high heavy metal concentrations in them, especially if they don't pump much.  You won't be able to filter those out.  In an emergency, no problem, but continual intake can jack you up. 

in survival classes and even in spec ops they teach you to boil all water with a metal pan on the top to catch the vapor and drip down the sides where you have a bigger pan to catch the condensation.. that will almost garuntee that there are no HEAVY metals in the water.
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Re: Fresh water access in Amarillo area
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2010, 12:07:43 pm »
yes, that's correct, but that's not what most people think of when they say "boil water"

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Re: Fresh water access in Amarillo area
« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2010, 12:27:54 pm »
It really depends on how long things are down for.  Most people outside of town have wells.  If it is a short term thing, then a generator big enough to run one of those will keep you in water no problem.  Be careful about the windmills, a lot of them have very high heavy metal concentrations in them, especially if they don't pump much.  You won't be able to filter those out.  In an emergency, no problem, but continual intake can jack you up. 

In a true area wide event where cities are unable to supply water for an extended period of time, the thousands of city dwellers, will be visiting the rural wells!

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Re: Fresh water access in Amarillo area
« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2010, 03:46:31 pm »
yes, that's correct, but that's not what most people think of when they say "boil water"

I'll be frank.  I do not care about most people but I do care about "us" and that includes you now luke =)
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Re: Fresh water access in Amarillo area
« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2010, 06:27:16 pm »
It really depends on how long things are down for.  Most people outside of town have wells.  If it is a short term thing, then a generator big enough to run one of those will keep you in water no problem.  Be careful about the windmills, a lot of them have very high heavy metal concentrations in them, especially if they don't pump much.  You won't be able to filter those out.  In an emergency, no problem, but continual intake can jack you up. 
what heavy metal concentrations are you talking about? rust?

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Re: Fresh water access in Amarillo area
« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2010, 06:32:17 pm »
yes, that's correct, but that's not what most people think of when they say "boil water"

I'll be frank.  I do not care about most people but I do care about "us" and that includes you now luke =)

Interesting!

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Re: Fresh water access in Amarillo area
« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2010, 07:57:53 pm »
I have heard there is a lot of iron in the ground here. Oxidize it and you would have rusty water. Farmland usually brings a lot of agricultural problems like fertilizer and pesticides that will also have heavy metals like zinc that are no good for you. Boiling over in a second container to catch the steam back into condensation is a great idea.
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Re: Fresh water access in Amarillo area
« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2010, 08:05:06 pm »
When the SHTF I dont think that the rust in the water is going to be a concern. Just finding water will be the main problem . Most irrigation wells run on 440 volt elec.  That is beyond most generators. Lakes would be the main source around here.
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Re: Fresh water access in Amarillo area
« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2010, 09:05:56 am »
yes, that's correct, but that's not what most people think of when they say "boil water"

I'll be frank.  I do not care about most people but I do care about "us" and that includes you now luke =)

Interesting!

I mean in the SHTF situation... God, I am not a monster after rereading that post I feel like Dr. Evil.
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Re: Fresh water access in Amarillo area
« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2010, 09:47:01 pm »
yes, that's correct, but that's not what most people think of when they say "boil water"

I'll be frank.  I do not care about most people but I do care about "us" and that includes you now luke =)

Interesting!

I mean in the SHTF situation... God, I am not a monster after rereading that post I feel like Dr. Evil.
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Re: Fresh water access in Amarillo area
« Reply #19 on: December 13, 2010, 09:50:43 pm »
I have heard there is a lot of iron in the ground here. Oxidize it and you would have rusty water. Farmland usually brings a lot of agricultural problems like fertilizer and pesticides that will also have heavy metals like zinc that are no good for you. Boiling over in a second container to catch the steam back into condensation is a great idea.
what would be different from a windmill versus my home's water well? they are around the same depth and both from the ogallala. not to mention the citys well system.

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« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2010, 10:57:53 am »
windmills aren't built to drinking water standards, many have lead based solder, etc in them.  I'm a civil engineer and used to be in charge of a cities water supply, so I'm probably just overly picky as far as water standard.

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Re: Fresh water access in Amarillo area
« Reply #21 on: December 14, 2010, 11:19:52 am »
windmills aren't built to drinking water standards, many have lead based solder, etc in them.  I'm a civil engineer and used to be in charge of a cities water supply, so I'm probably just overly picky as far as water standard.

civil engineers are useful... where do you live again exactly <evil grin>
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Re: Fresh water access in Amarillo area
« Reply #22 on: December 14, 2010, 01:29:11 pm »
windmills aren't built to drinking water standards, many have lead based solder, etc in them.  I'm a civil engineer and used to be in charge of a cities water supply, so I'm probably just overly picky as far as water standard.




Well heck!  That's what is the matter with me.  When I was a kid, a windmill supplied water to a tank on the hill.  We had a pipeline that ran downhill to us.  I did not know any better.  Sure tasted good tho.  It was galvanized pipe just like everyone else used back then. 
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« Reply #23 on: December 14, 2010, 01:36:32 pm »
windmills aren't built to drinking water standards, many have lead based solder, etc in them.  I'm a civil engineer and used to be in charge of a cities water supply, so I'm probably just overly picky as far as water standard.

Well heck!  That's what is the matter with me.  When I was a kid, a windmill supplied water to a tank on the hill.  We had a pipeline that ran downhill to us.  I did not know any better.  Sure tasted good tho.  It was galvanized pipe just like everyone else used back then. 


You,and the hundreds of thousands of other people that have grown up in rural America where water was and still is supplied via windmill, or manual and electric pumps.

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Re: Fresh water access in Amarillo area
« Reply #24 on: December 14, 2010, 05:19:20 pm »
i'm here in amarillo

be glad to help out if i can.  especially if you can teach me more about my new obsession!