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Collective Judgement
« on: February 26, 2013, 11:19:40 pm »
I been kinda curious about something, and I just thought I'ld ask everyone here to pass their judgement on it.
It kinda has to do with our social and moral values, but mostly, it has to do with self defense in a period of crisis.
I'm of the opinion, that, if threatened, what you use to defend yourself is wide open, evening out the odds, so to speak.
Since it would seem as though there are so many asshats out there, hell bent on getting the shit stirred up enough to enact martial law, our future certainly remains uncertain.
For that special occasion, I've often thought about one of the newer, higher power lasers that are on the market, as a means of defense.
Of course, I'm asking here, because it's something that you don't see discussed anywhere.
But, since windage, elevation, and distance, would not be an issue, it seems like it might be one of the better pieces of equipment to have on hand. Not to mention, they're a hell of a lot quieter, than a 308. or 50BMG.
The issue of self defense, is to take your opponent out of the fight. They cannot fight, if they cannot see.
They're small, lightweight, and you only have to re-load, easy and inexpensive batteries, and they are around the price of most available low budget, firearms.
I can think of 100's of advantages, and uses.
What do ya'll think about it?

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Re: Collective Judgement
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2013, 11:49:14 pm »
I've thought about that as well and I have a more immediate use for one (killing pest anemones in my aquarium). In fact I thought when I got one I might mount it on the front of my AR for home defense. They can't attack or steal what they can not see.  8)
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Re: Collective Judgement
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2013, 11:17:55 am »
Hmmm.  Anybody have a link to such a critter?
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Re: Collective Judgement
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2013, 11:23:26 am »
They're not technically legal in the US.

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Re: Collective Judgement
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2013, 11:44:13 am »
Ohhhh
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Re: Collective Judgement
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2013, 11:55:22 am »
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=328165784

http://www.laserglow.com/int-handheld.htm

I don't think they are technically illegal, but illegal to mis-use them.
My premise is, for use if law breaks down.

I've heard, (but can't find info), that certain wavelengths, (colors) can also play havoc on certain camera's.
Like thermal one's, that could be in the air.

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Re: Collective Judgement
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2013, 02:22:29 pm »
Technically, anything over 5mw is illegal without a FDA approval.

I doubt one would ever get in trouble for it unless they were doing something stupid with it, shining at cars, in eyes, at airplanes, at US military drones.

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Re: Collective Judgement
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2013, 08:21:06 am »
If you go read the fda website one needs fda aproval to manufacture lasers above 5mw for sale to the public for specific purposes. It doesn't say it's illegal to own a laser above 5mw.
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Re: Collective Judgement
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2013, 10:18:14 am »
I have seen one being shined at oncoming traffic several months ago. Someone in the passengers seat of an suv was shining it around.
I didn't think it was all that spectacular....or disabling. Annoying as hell, yes. Disabling no.

How does a laser stop me from lobbing lead in the direction of the light? I can't think of a better way to draw attention to yourself, short of wearing a hot pink speedo and yelling, "yoohoo, over here boys."

Besides, they have already come out with anti-laser devices. They are called sunglasses.

I would say save your money and buy something more useful.

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Re: Collective Judgement
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2013, 12:41:59 pm »
Seems the point was missed.
They are made in the U.S., and legal to own. I'm not talking about a little toy or aiming device. I'm not talking about breaking any laws or current illegal use. Nor do I intend to promote current illegal use.
My reference was to a home/industrial TOOL, that could be made use as a defensive devise in an extreme emergency.





 


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Re: Collective Judgement
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2013, 02:01:14 pm »
I have seen one being shined at oncoming traffic several months ago. Someone in the passengers seat of an suv was shining it around.
I didn't think it was all that spectacular....or disabling. Annoying as hell, yes. Disabling no.

How does a laser stop me from lobbing lead in the direction of the light? I can't think of a better way to draw attention to yourself, short of wearing a hot pink speedo and yelling, "yoohoo, over here boys."

Besides, they have already come out with anti-laser devices. They are called sunglasses.

I would say save your money and buy something more useful.

Ones in question have a much higher strength.
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Re: Collective Judgement
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2013, 02:10:29 pm »
Oh I understood.

I just don't think you will get much "defense" out of one. Unless there is a swarm of moths attacking.
Waste of money, no matter what name you give it.
Just like the super platinum tornado deluxe fuel saving antenna topper that will make your fuel mileage increase 125%.

Find one, buy it, and have someone shine it at you. Post up the results if you survive.

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Re: Collective Judgement
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2013, 02:29:07 pm »
No, you really don't understand. They are powerful enough to melt objects in a full aquarium, through the glass and water. If you look into one without the proper eye protection they can blind you very very quickly.
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Re: Collective Judgement
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2013, 03:18:02 pm »
Yes I do understand.

They can detatch retnas, so on and so forth. They generate concentrated heat. You can fry bugs and such.


Buy one, buy one, buy one and tell us all how great they are.

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Re: Collective Judgement
« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2013, 10:42:31 am »
I have one of these:

http://www.wickedlasers.com.hk/arctic

I got it with the multiple lens kit.   It has two power modes, low and high, and a mode for a pulsing beam and one for a steady beam.   The high power mode is insane.  And on a steady beam on high power, it can burn things at close range.   The lens kit can change the shape of the beam into different things.

I have never thought about using it for self defense.   I guess you could as some sort of a stun type implement to allow you to get a more advantageous position on your adversary or to outright flee.   Never really went "outside the box" with that thing I guess.
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Re: Collective Judgement
« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2013, 12:09:26 pm »
Very cool
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Re: Collective Judgement
« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2013, 01:57:13 pm »
It's not a question if they'll work, or be effective, Dept. of Homeland Security already has untold numbers of them, in the 300mw to 500mw range.
Tons were purchased back around 2005, through 2010, and they have been used by ground troops in Afghanistan and Iran.
The tech has come quite a ways since then, and availability to average consumers.
The U.S. and Canada have signed treaties and Hague agreements about their use.
Seems as if the U.N. preferred that soldiers killed people over risking blinding them.
500mw range can destroy, or make ineffective many camera's, including ir and thermal, by saturating their electro-optical circuits.
Since they are now very compact, lightweight, make no audible sound, and not readily identifiable as a firearm, in a time of extreme circumstance, I can easily see their advantages.